tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post4434968948884106872..comments2023-11-29T07:39:34.401+00:00Comments on Carla Nayland Historical Fiction: Emperor series, by Conn Iggulden. Book review.Carlahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-9841734242960899122016-06-19T21:18:38.953+01:002016-06-19T21:18:38.953+01:00ITS BAD ........ Marius married to someone else an...ITS BAD ........ Marius married to someone else and childless.....Caesar an only child when he had 2 sisters hence Augustus his heir.....Marcus Brutus his childhood friend when he might have been his son by Servilia and he was very rich anyway ALL VERY WEIRD not reading rest of series and re reading Colleeen McCullough RIP to clear my mindrnelsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-72326201426525549242016-06-19T20:20:12.258+01:002016-06-19T20:20:12.258+01:00Yes lost me when Marius NOT married to a Julli ......Yes lost me when Marius NOT married to a Julli ...Caesars Aunt and not childless had a son which is without doubt historically in arguable and Caesar had sisters which is why we have Augustus not bothering to read past book 1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-12744111793335637782007-02-15T21:19:00.000+00:002007-02-15T21:19:00.000+00:00PS - the one you're most likely to be missing is B...PS - the one you're most likely to be missing is Book 4, <I>The Gods of War</I>, because it was only published in January 2006 in the UK so if you bought the books before then it probably wasn't available.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-28153600801027176242007-02-15T21:17:00.000+00:002007-02-15T21:17:00.000+00:00Hello Kailana, and thanks for dropping by. It's d...Hello Kailana, and thanks for dropping by. It's definitely four books. I think the titles are the same on both sides of the Atlantic, so hopefully you'll be able to identify the missing one from the list of titles at the top of the post. If you have any trouble, then if you can give me a few clues from the blurbs of the ones you've got I should be able to help you work out which one you're missing.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-31826307247298811292007-02-15T20:25:00.000+00:002007-02-15T20:25:00.000+00:00hm, I thought this was only a trilogy and that I h...hm, I thought this was only a trilogy and that I had all the books for when I wanted to read them. I will have to figure out which one I am missing.Kailanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11136262232046813471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-1488411454799398922007-02-15T18:38:00.000+00:002007-02-15T18:38:00.000+00:00Well, you can get the action if you ignore the his...Well, you can get the action if you ignore the history :-) I have to say I don't know how accurate the military tactics, fight scenes, weapons and armour are, though I daresay Roman Army Talk would know. <BR/><BR/>Maybe it would depend on the context of the discussion. If someone's said "This book stinks" there's not a lot the author could possibly say to that beyond a pantomime exchange of "Oh no it doesn't!" "Oh yes it does!", so it's likely best to keep out of it. On the other hand, if someone's said "Why did you do it this way?", the author could choose to answer. It needn't get nasty unless there's somebody involved who won't accept any opinion as valid but their own and won't agree to differ. Not everybody likes everything, otherwise there'd be no need for more than one novel on any subject, no?Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-74961680384086048612007-02-15T15:26:00.000+00:002007-02-15T15:26:00.000+00:00It's a pity the history jars so badly. I'm all for...It's a pity the history jars so badly. I'm all for guy style action :)<BR/><BR/>Carla,<BR/>I don't remember the details, but there was a discussion that left me with the feeling that writers should better not defend their work. Probably not an easy thing, and it was not half as bad as Anne Rice's or LKH's reaction.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-63688982509813450822007-02-15T14:24:00.000+00:002007-02-15T14:24:00.000+00:00Elizabeth - it's not being picky to give something...Elizabeth - it's not being picky to give something a try and decide you don't like the style and it's not for you. I think you'd have got a pretty fair idea of the type of novel in a few chapters, and it's definitely a series that concentrates on action above anything else. Will be interesting to see if your husband likes it - the packaging seems to be positioning it clearly as a 'guy' type of novel.<BR/><BR/>Hazel-rah - I'd share your view of Colleen McCullough's series, and they were on the list of favourite historical fiction I posted last summer. Emperor is a quite different type of series, so if the review's helped you make a choice, that's what it's for!Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-35658592854314858982007-02-15T11:53:00.000+00:002007-02-15T11:53:00.000+00:00Colleen McCullough's novels are masterpieces, and ...Colleen McCullough's novels are masterpieces, and I do not use the term lightly. Marius, Sulla and all the rest are depicted with such verve that you feel like you've met them.<BR/><BR/>I won't be reading Iggulden's series. The liberties he has taken with reality are obviously way too over the top for my taste and would annoy me greatly. <BR/>So thanks for the warning!Magpiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15489091434613178568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-3782578888157120592007-02-15T10:50:00.000+00:002007-02-15T10:50:00.000+00:00I started reading the first book but found the wri...I started reading the first book but found the writing style wasn't for me. When you grimace as you read, you know a book isn't for you and I gave up. Perhaps it's a case of me being picky, and perhaps I should have persevered, but I didn't want to. My assessment would be the same as Sarah's. I've left it in my husband's TBR for now rather than ditching it, just in case he has a different opinion.Elizabeth Chadwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911841862257909703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-71459414480081207332007-02-15T09:01:00.000+00:002007-02-15T09:01:00.000+00:00Sarah C - I saw an interview with him in either So...Sarah C - I saw an interview with him in either Solander or the HNR, maybe it was yours? I can't find the magazine issue now. It's always possible that the source is wrong, though someone writing 200 years after the event is a good deal closer to it than we are 2000 years after. <BR/><BR/>Gabriele - what's RAT? I'm guessing Roman Army Talk? What sort of questions were you asking there?Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-81503015644597937842007-02-14T19:37:00.000+00:002007-02-14T19:37:00.000+00:00Looks like he didn't like some of your questions. ...Looks like he didn't like some of your questions. We've had the same experience with him on RAT.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-29927782550065227222007-02-14T19:14:00.000+00:002007-02-14T19:14:00.000+00:00I read the first book and thought it silly, shallo...I read the first book and thought it silly, shallow drivel. <BR/><BR/>I did an Email interview with Conn Iggulden for Solander in which I asked him why he'd made Caesar and Brutus exact contemporaries. He said no one knew for sure when Caesar was born, not even Suetonius who said Caesar was 55 in 44BC -- so Conn was entitled to make it up, obviously. After all, Suetonius was writing 200 years later (as if that was a reason to dismiss him). <BR/><BR/>The editor titled my interview "Fleshing Out The Emperor", which was inaccurate on two counts. <BR/><BR/>Conn Iggulden did me the discourtesy of forgetting to do his responses for this interview. Then after I sent a reminder via his publicist, some slapdash copy arrived without even an apology. Not that this coloured my view of his book at all. Oh, no.Sarah Cuthbertsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17841282823433026980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-11279793172731833112007-02-14T17:01:00.000+00:002007-02-14T17:01:00.000+00:00Alex - I wasn't in a great hurry to read on after ...Alex - I wasn't in a great hurry to read on after the end of Book 1 either, but I was curious to see what he was going to do with all the alterations. In the end, I found the first book the weakest, perhaps because it had rather a lot of boyhood pranks.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-19907223331605345512007-02-14T11:47:00.000+00:002007-02-14T11:47:00.000+00:00I read the first one, and reckoned it was well wri...I read the first one, and reckoned it was well written, but couldn't quite understand why he had taken liberties with the history. I wasn't sufficiently interested in the subject matter to read the others.Alex Bordessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360540101147770320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-63041475733044264232007-02-14T09:31:00.000+00:002007-02-14T09:31:00.000+00:00Gabriele - real names have that effect on me, too....Gabriele - real names have that effect on me, too. I prefer Guy Gavriel Kay's approach.<BR/><BR/>Elena - Colleen McCullough's Masters of Rome novels are really excellent, in my view, if you want to explore Late Republican Rome. They're quite complex and you do need to pay attention, but well worth it. I think the series is best read in order; the first one is <I>The First Man in Rome</I>.<BR/><BR/>Rick - In a way, the <I>Emperor</I> series could be more enjoyable for people who don't know their way around Rome, because they won't be tripped up by "But surely it didn't happen like that?" every few pages. If you have even an approximate idea of the events, the divergences can be very annoying. I'd also prefer a synologue; and if it's supposed to be pure entertainment and readers are supposed to understand that it's fiction and never really happened, why dress it up as 'history'?Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-61355932067455258752007-02-14T05:49:00.000+00:002007-02-14T05:49:00.000+00:00Well, I would skip reading this book till I'd read...Well, I would skip reading this book till I'd read some history and knew my way generally around the late Republic. As it is I know who guys like Sulla are, but only have an extremely sketchy mental timeline, so I wouldn't catch even major distortions/inventions. <BR/><BR/>Carla, I tend to agree (surprise!) that this kind of thing would work better in a fictional syno-Rome, where we know what is being evoked but don't expect direct correspondence.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16932015378213238346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-28967487880678766862007-02-13T22:44:00.000+00:002007-02-13T22:44:00.000+00:00I always wondered what Colleen McCullough's novels...I always wondered what Colleen McCullough's novels on ancient Rome were like. Maybe I will give them a try first.....elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-77518240026273192152007-02-13T19:33:00.000+00:002007-02-13T19:33:00.000+00:00The problem is that the real names convey the real...The problem is that the real names convey the real image for me. If he'd changed the names, even if you could still tell he means Brutus and Caesar, I won't feel like running after the author brandishing a history book. Or he could have introduced some magic stones or werewolves. :)<BR/><BR/>Though even in historical fantasy, I don't go as far as eliminating age gaps of a generation with historical characters. I only kill a king two years too early, and have a family/clan appear about hundred years before it is first mentioned in a charte (which doesn't say it didn't have been around already). <BR/><BR/>Looks like Iggulden missed to make the best out of a very interesting war. Too bad.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-44361371752682627072007-02-13T19:12:00.000+00:002007-02-13T19:12:00.000+00:00Constance - I wouldn't think it's sloppiness (alth...Constance - I wouldn't think it's sloppiness (although a rather witty Amazon.co.uk review does). I assume the author knows a lot about the period. My guess would be that making the characters contemporary was considered to heighten the drama or provide more conflict or something like that, but that's only my guess. You probably could read Colleen McCullough with reference books at hand, but I wouldn't do it with <I>Emperor</I> :-)<BR/><BR/>Alianore - the Author's Notes only give very general reasons for the changes such as tightening the storyline or reasons of pace, and often don't give a reason at all. I guess he thought that the changes make a better story. Whether you agree is in the eye of the beholder.<BR/><BR/>Bernita - it's very much a matter of personal preference. What might annoy one reader will be absolutely fine for another. <BR/><BR/>Gabriele - I found it worked fine as an adventure romp if I read it as pure fiction none of which ever really happened, or if I thought of it as happening in a parallel universe like Guy Gavriel Kay's. I'm trying to think what he did with Vercingetorix, but I found the whole Gallic War section in Book 3 rather dull and very forgettable, so the only images my mind is conjuring up are from Colleen McCullough. Odd that those have stuck for years whereas Conn Iggulden's version hasn't stuck for even a few weeks (I reread the series in order to write the review, so Book 3 has largely disappeared under Book 4 in my memory). Since I didn't note anything down about Vercingetorix, either good or bad, the portrayal presumably didn't annoy me.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-37407189354396094182007-02-13T16:17:00.000+00:002007-02-13T16:17:00.000+00:00Ouch, that's even worse than I suspected. I love m...Ouch, that's even worse than I suspected. I love me a fun adventure romp as much as any girl who filched her brother's Jack London and Traven books, but I know too much about that time in history to overlook so many incongruicies.<BR/><BR/>I don't even dare to ask what Iggulden did to Vercingetorix. ;)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-25307257740664188242007-02-13T12:19:00.000+00:002007-02-13T12:19:00.000+00:00"Think of H. Rider Haggard or John Buchan, with to..."Think of H. Rider Haggard or John Buchan, with togas."<BR/>I like that line.<BR/>Sometimes I can forgive gross inaccuracies of time and roles easier than I can small impertinences.Bernitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264585685253812090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-36955180292863701042007-02-13T07:45:00.000+00:002007-02-13T07:45:00.000+00:00Hmm, I have considered trying this series, but may...Hmm, I have considered trying this series, but maybe I'll give them a miss. I wonder why the author felt the need to make Octavian so much older than he really was - does he mention it in an Author's Note? I'm afraid that's the kind of inaccuracy that would really make me think twice about picking up any historical novel - if there's no dispute about Octavian's date of birth, why change it? Ditto the Julia father-husband-lover conflict, which sounds great in theory but would have me shrieking "But she's supposed to be dead by now!"Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19922276.post-24453731923693078482007-02-13T00:44:00.000+00:002007-02-13T00:44:00.000+00:00Thanks for the honest reviews, Carla. It's good to...Thanks for the honest reviews, Carla. It's good to know where things stray - especially in light of all the recent blog conversations on history and fantasy. <BR/><BR/>I am no where near as knowledgeable on Rome as youse guys, but I'm sure the Brutus/Caesar/Octavian thing would send up alerts even to me. Do you see making them all contemporaries as an easy out for the writer? No need to be accurate, they were close enough in time sort of thing? Sloppiness? or something else? I admit to reading any books on Rome with my reference material close at hand. *g* Probably not the best idea.Constance Brewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17964121072645959593noreply@blogger.com